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Manassas City Council 3/3/2025

Date: Monday, March 3, 2025
Place: Manassas City Council, Virginia
Length: 1h 18m (video)
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[00:00:00] Councilmember Ellis? Here. The forum is present. Thank you. If I can get a motion to approve Ms. Councilman Ocina's participation. Second. May I be motioned by Councilman Ocina's seconded by Vice Mayor Wolfe to approve participation in the City Council meeting by remote electronic communication of Councilman Ocina.

[00:00:23] Any discussion? Hearing and saying no, Mr. Smith, please call the roll. Councilmember Vasquez Luna? Yes. Vice Mayor Wolfe? Yes. Councilmember Ellis? Yes. Councilmember Hudson? Yes. Councilmember Smith? Yes. Motion carries.

[00:00:42] Okay, thank you. And Mr. Osina, can you hear us? Mayor, council, yes I can, and thank you for allowing me to join you remotely. I felt like I missed something. We're good to go. I didn't. All right.

[00:00:58] Okay, first item only, well, item two, discussion item on tax-supported funds operating in CIP. Am I bouncing to you or the team? Okay. Did you have that information that you wanted to go over, or you already took care of that?

[00:01:17] Well, the mayor had asked that we develop information about the benefits of the new construction as it relates to real estate and fire and rescue revenue. Going into the FY26 year, the new construction resulted in an additional $560,000 in real estate tax revenue, as well as about $100,000 in the fire and rescue levy.

[00:01:45] The real estate tax revenue equates to about 73% of one penny. So the benefits realized by new construction is that there's not a need to increase by that less than three-quarters of a penny.

[00:02:07] What's the figure for fire? $100,000. yeah uh if i can jump right in there i think i think the message the mayor is don't let me put words in your mouth but the message we're trying to show is city is still have redevelopment and new development going on and it's positive it's positive for our current residents because we do have increases in our revenue there's two handouts that have been passed around first one is the

[00:02:41] Commissioner of the Revenue. This is your spreadsheet that compares our fees and taxes to surrounding jurisdictions. The second handout is a potential staffing plan for the Marstella Recreation Center. It's a slight update from the one we presented at Retreat, just a little more

[00:03:04] funds. Mayor, if it's okay with you, I would like to jump right into the CIP tonight. We did a very good job of moving forward with the tax-reported department's last work session. If you will turn

[00:03:33] to page 251. What we're going to begin tonight is your CIP plan. I am going to turn it over to assistant city manager rc area he's going to walk you through your 2026 proposed cip matt the show is yours already so we're talking about general fund supported elements of the cip tonight so we have three chunks to work through general government parks culture and rec and then transportation um this is a reminder there's utility supportive pieces of it that's a

[00:04:12] different night so i'm only going to cover kind of the big the big chunks that i just laid out there I'm not going to go page by page unless there's questions. I'm going to try to highlight within each section new projects and projects that have a major update. Some of this is an ongoing discussion from your retreat.

[00:04:30] So general government, I think, is where we want to spend a lot of our time this evening. You turn your pages to 254 and 255. These are the two major general government projects that you'll be seeing over the next, really discussed over the next five to ten years.

[00:04:50] There's the first one, actually G24, which is the City Hall Downtown Parking Project. That is a combination, you'll see in FY26, of the money for the purchase of the MIFCO property. The money in prior years covers the environmental work, including state grant that we know we will likely need to do on the MIFCO property, and then we have some additional money budgeted in there for initial planning for the parking deck.

[00:05:13] The money you're seeing in future years would cover an actual construction of a deck, so There's actually two projects, essentially, in this CFP project right now, the purchase of the MIFCO property and any immediate remediation, and then ongoing discussions on the deck. The deck is a placeholder.

[00:05:29] We all know that council has provided direction for us to go out and look for RFP with a developer for the potential redevelopment of that side of city hall. So that's a placeholder while we work through that development process, and we'll be back with council over the next year as we refine what development redevelopment options there are on the City Hall campus. The other project, G23, is the placeholder for the future City Hall Annex. This is, again, we discussed this at Retreat. We have backed out the notion for now that we'd be doing a joint building. We learned last year that putting both the schools

[00:06:04] and city functions is going to be too large for the site we've always talked about. So what we've scoped out here is a 20,000 to 30,000 square foot building. We really need three stories. Council has suggested that as we go forward we'd be looking at a four-story for future expansion so really what would go in here today and again we're really talking more of a future project but what would go in here today would be social services the registrar and then we are holding a lot of space for future city departments as they grow one option that's been discussed would be moving utility customer service from public works other departments will grow over time but

[00:06:41] really this is just a placeholder project and a lot of it's planning for the future and expansion not a project that we're going to start doing immediately. So those are the two big projects in your general government. I'll pause there real quick. Good.

[00:06:58] I just want to talk briefly then. If you go to 256. Oh, we do have a question. Sorry. Thank you, Madam Mayor. So for that, you know, I usually just hear it, but, you know, more and more here I understand the importance of this and how this is going to make an impact.

[00:07:14] Will that be an update on when it comes to the customer service for utility, if that happens? I know everything is, you know, until you get there. But as we do have the placeholder, I wanted to know if the next year we will see a more comprehensive description when it comes to that.

[00:07:38] And the other will be, you know, for those are so important, both of them. And, you know, I worry about, you know, the location and the parking and how everything is, you know, happening so far in the current registrar location.

[00:07:58] So that's why I wanted to make sure, if it's possible, to add a little bit more for the future so it is more reflective of where we are now. More parking more? No, no, no, the utility customer service and other customer service and the registrar's office.

[00:08:16] Additional square foot. Because I believe it only talks about social services right now. Yeah, we haven't updated the description since we had our retreat discussion, so we can definitely add that to the description for the project if that's easy.

[00:08:32] We hadn't done all the space needs, so we wanted to share that with you at retreat, so we can definitely update that. I will say, big picture, what council did last year with extending social services lease for seven to ten years. So remember that lease is now a seven to ten year lease has bought the city the time it needs to really think through and let the city space needs continue to become apparent.

[00:08:51] So as opposed to building a building today and trying to figure out who goes there, we've bought ourselves the time we need to really go through an effective process and figure out what that final configuration, what our final space needs would be. So we have some time now on the annex, which we didn't have, if you think about it, when we were really running up against the social services lease and the school board discussion.

[00:09:10] So we're in a much better place than we were two years ago when we had all these leases running out and all the departments moving around. A little calmer, I would say. My last is, you know, we don't have people.

[00:09:26] And, you know, please forgive me. I know how everybody's very professional. You're already thinking about it, but it's more like for peace of mind. all the customer services on the first floor and you know and it is you know they don't have to go to the second floor to vote or what to pay a bill that's that's on my mind absolutely don't disagree you don't have to put it there it just isn't my concern mr has a question yes mayor thank you very much so mr ossieri if i recall correctly in previous cips that there

[00:10:05] There were some improvements being made over at public utilities, and now that there's some consideration of putting possibly the customer service part of utilities in this annex, does that affect any of the public utility CIP projects?

[00:10:27] And if so, which ones? No, not at this time, no. what we're currently doing over public works is if you recall engineering department has moved over to city hall we're in the process of painting carpeting getting the three departments that are over there now public works water sewer electric into department spaces so we're really in the process of if you think about moving all the pieces getting their space brought up to current standards for the employees um it doesn't the customer i think the time gives us having that extra time to think about these things we would still want to do stuff in the customer services

[00:11:04] space over at building a we're talking about here but we can we can do both basically we can give them better space now and also plan for a possible relocation downtown and some of the future projects were actually just exterior renovations because the exterior of many of those buildings hasn't been touched in in many years so we weren't planning to do any significant improvements or renovations on the interior other than the carpeting and paint and one last question if I may mayor and that is

[00:11:37] The customer service aspect over at public utilities, are they pressed for space or do they have enough space to complete their tasks and do what they need to do?

[00:11:52] They have adequate space and teller windows to deal with the current payment requirements that they have. All right. Mayor, thank you for letting me speak. No problem. Any other questions? Just on 256, I think it's important in the current fiscal situation with the federal government, we are just to point out, we have a maintenance project in here.

[00:12:18] It's for adding EV charging stations, but you'll see that there is a federal grant associated with it. So I want to reiterate, because for the public primarily, that we are tracking these grants very closely first off. So if something's canceled, we aren't going to spend it.

[00:12:33] But more importantly, and this is just a moment for the council to understand, Even when council authorizes us to apply for a grant and are awarded a grant, there are internal controls that the finance department is not going to let us start. The day you appropriate money, we don't start spending it.

[00:12:49] We actually, Diane's staff is going to look for an actual agreement with the federal government that are going to reimburse us before we start spending money. So on top of the budget controls, and if, say, this grant for charging stations gets canceled, we'll take it out of the budget. But even if it's in the budget, we have internal controls that prevent us from starting to spend money without the appropriate agreement.

[00:13:10] So I think it's just important for that moment to just reassure folks that on top of what council is looking at and being concerned about federal impacts, that there are internal controls to keep us from spending federal dollars that we don't necessarily have right away. So I just thought that was important to point out real quick.

[00:13:28] And I've been told, I've gone through all the grants in here, this grant is still COG. This is through COG. COG actually applied for it, but COG has said this grant is still intact, so we are showing it as a potential budget. For those of you who are into EV vehicles, we're looking at adding, in this first round of COG funding, the public parking lot of PD, Dean Park, Stonewall Park, and Marsteller moving the charger that was out of the customer service center.

[00:13:55] That is it on general government. Parks, culture, and recreation starts really on page 259. I do not have a lot of parks, culture, and rec updates this year.

[00:14:12] We are at the end of, for anyone who had the joy of reading my article in the city newsletter, we are at the end of a significant capital campaign. Dean Park, Marceller, and Annenberg are substantially complete. I look forward to seeing everyone with the ribbon cutting.

[00:14:27] The only money we have in parks for this year are in two places. We are showing the use of the micron, what would you call it, the deposit, micron deposit that they forfeited when they moved out of the land sale. We were showing that you used to complete some of the diamond field work at Dean Park.

[00:14:45] That's $250,000. And then if you go to the last page, we have our bi-annual park maintenance projects. So that is page 265. And we are going to be working at Nelson, Walter Delisle, and Oakenshaw Parks this year. Every two years, we do a major park maintenance overhaul.

[00:15:05] So those are the last three parks, actually, since we started this process 10 years ago. So every park in the city will have had some substantial maintenance or expansion in the last 10 years. So as far as parks and rec goes, a pretty substantial accomplishment on the Capitol side over the last 10 years to bring the system back to the New City.

[00:15:28] Okay. All right. It might not be the place, but I recall a long-time conversation about, I think it was close to the Nelson Pavilion for a playground replacement or something.

[00:15:48] maybe I can get back with you and of course there's no for this but these put it up and I just want to make sure that it doesn't go many years without looking at it no Walter Delisle yeah I couldn't remember the name yes Walter Delisle it's a small part back in that neighborhood it's got a playground it's a nice little park um June 20th we will do our community conversations for these three parks we actually got i think i'm referring to a customer we received a request for additional

[00:16:24] equipment so even when we get those we've responded to that um resident and told them that it's on the list and then also we'll invite them out on june 20th to the uh conversation public safety one project again the city is getting stuff built 269 fire station one still somewhat in placeholder land it's out in 2030 um we are starting the beginning discussions with chief mills and his staff about obviously we've talked a lot about this being the ideal location the chief has

[00:17:00] covered that and i'll let him answer any questions on that we're starting to we haven't gotten very far but we're starting to look at essentially what size building we're going to need so we there'll be a lot more discussion with the council i would say at this point but we are starting to again knowing that station one downtown is at the end of its useful life we are starting to advance that project which has been the future years for a long time Ms. Vasquez, I apologize.

[00:17:25] I don't know what I mean. I apologize. Any update on Vice Mayor's request for the sign? It's on the list, yeah. My park main and staff has it. We will get it done. Okay. Yep. After the new station's built, I'll put the sign up.

[00:17:43] Oh. Do we remember station 21, how much that cost? Is it 14 mil? 14 mil. Yeah, why not? 14 mil? Okay. Keep your numbers straight ahead. Thank you.

[00:17:58] The dollar amount is definitely a placeholder at this point. We have a lot of work to do on this project. Well, just order of magnitude is close. That's amazing. Matt, if I can jump in just before you go into transportation. So as Matt laid out for you, we're forgetting it's 2025 already.

[00:18:15] Time flies. Most of these projects are five to seven years out. So that's what we tried to build in for you when going back full circle to what he said with getting these contracts with social services, the RFP. so we've got a lot of things that we have completed so you're getting ready to enter into your next phase that's going to be looking at that 2030 time frame of getting uh dirt moved and these are going to be very important decisions whether they're um the fire station

[00:18:49] or things that begin dominoes start to fall with some of these potential rfp uh that we have out on the street or getting ready to put out on the street. Transportation. Starting on page 273.

[00:19:13] Sudley Road Third Lane is very much under construction. I will say with the cancellation of the bypass project, council did receive a request to look at the fourth leg of the intersection where Sudley meets Godwin Drive. We actually are in conversations with the county and VDOT about closing that fourth leg and not building.

[00:19:31] So the county actually gave the city money. Ironically, the only piece of the bypass that may ever be constructed is the part that is currently under construction by the city of manassas that was paid for with county money but we are now in a conversation with the county if you really want us to build an intersection to a project that you've canceled so we have preliminary sign off from county and vdot to extend the sidewalk across there and not have a curb cut a very large curb cut to nowhere so we're actually looking at that right now with the county and vdot on a design change so that it's not always sitting there just a little bit of an update grant avenue you got any

[00:20:08] question? No. Grant Avenue, the reason the project is in here still is because there is a phase two to Grant Avenue. It is a streetscape project downtown that looks at really the streetscape from Prince William Street to Lee at the modern, the wider sidewalks and the Sternbergs and no road lane configurations in terms of narrowing the road in that section. But there is a sidewalk project funded by VDOT that is moving to design. Project T-39, the Dean Drive, animal shelter, more to come.

[00:20:42] It is mostly being built by the data centers out there as they come in. So I don't know still with the final idea here is obviously to widen the road and bring it up to current standards. Data centers are paying for a large amount of this work as part of their required frontage improvements. So the budget on this is rapidly shrinking, even though it's an increase because that's additional state money.

[00:21:02] The actual cost is shrinking at the data centers along Dean Drive build this piece of road. Matt, just council, mayor, council, So you may get complaints from residents or visitors to the shelter or to serve.

[00:21:17] That road is starting to deteriorate pretty rapidly because of all the heavy machinery in the area. But, Mr. Burke, I think our first project there is going to be the duck work, right, that's going to be for the data centers?

[00:21:35] There's another project. Yeah, the data centers are about to start the duck bank project, so there's going to be additional rebuild of that road. I don't anticipate it that the city will be doing a very large capital project when all is said and done based on what we know today from the data centers that are currently under construction. And the city's water lines going down that same project.

[00:21:55] And we have, over time, we've been changing some of our signage directional to encourage folks to serve to use the Dean Drive extension, which is the better way to get to that site, which didn't exist a few years ago. But just prepare yourself. You may get an e-mail or a phone call.

[00:22:15] Question, thank you. The Grand Avenue project, you're talking about widening the sidewalks. Is that like on people's properties? No, it's something right away required, yes. Especially if you think about the section between center and church.

[00:22:32] Yeah. Yeah, that's the section that we're focusing on. A lot of people walk there, I guess. Yeah, it's definitely, and there's a lot of, looking at the curb cuts is another big piece because it's basically a lot of very large curb cuts in that section. which would be the 7-Eleven entrance has numerous entrance points, and we want to be able to control that a little bit better.

[00:22:56] Just for information, when you talk about the road to the shelter, that road seems like really, really narrow. And is that road going to have more traffic? Because I don't understand where the entrances are going to be for the data center.

[00:23:14] I'm just concerned if you get more traffic in that tiny road, how is it going to go? So Dean Drive, you remember the Dean Drive extension project off of Noakesville Road is a current up-to-standards road that gets you. That was the first piece of the project, Phase 1, that actually connects from Noakesville down to serve, and you can get over to the cemetery that way, get back to the animal shelter that way.

[00:23:36] Before the Dean Drive extended existed, your option was to either go down Foster Drive or the piece you're referring to, which was a piece of Dean Drive that is very substandard. It's 18 feet wide. It's asphalt on dirt, which is why the road is starting to fall apart under heavy truck traffic.

[00:23:52] We've had this in the project. We've been in the capital project for years to rebuild the roadway. When it gets rebuilt, it will be rebuilt to match the section that you see on Dean Drive extended, so a 12-foot driving lanes, curving gutter. So it will be brought up to modern standards, current standards.

[00:24:12] Yes? Years? I learned that projects can take too long, The pieces that are associated with the data centers are under construction as we speak. We believe some of the other side of the road is going to be handled by the utility work that Mr. Burke was mentioning.

[00:24:30] There's going to be a few sections where the city will have to come in with federal money and it's the RSTP funding and finish the road. So it's not going to be much at the rate the data centers are going out there. You'll have a fully rebuilt road, secondary access to serve into the animal shelter.

[00:24:46] But how long? Much of it will be done within the next year. Liberia Avenue is fully funded by NVTA. We are moving into design.

[00:25:03] This is the third lane project from Centerville down to Euclid Avenue. I will add once again, in the spirit of Route 28 cancellation, we are going to take a look. As I mentioned at our February meeting, Mobility Master Plan recommended taking another look at the Centerville-Liberia intersection.

[00:25:20] Since we have money from NVTA, we're going to take a look at what other capacity we may need to add at that intersection at this point. and it doesn't make sense to rip the intersection out a third time. So a little more to come as we explore that option. We've had some initial conversations with NVTA. They understand that the city did not cause this issue, so there has been some positive conversations with Ms. Backman and her staff about being able to get some additional funding if we want to address it sooner than later.

[00:25:49] More to come. With regard to that, the cut-through on Centerville Road from Tony's to that, River Street that is, I forget, is, shall we say, problematic at best.

[00:26:06] I probably suggest that it goes away. I know people in the shopping center would not be happy about that, but it is a huge safety issue. That's the intersection that's signed with no left turns in the A&P, yes. And people still try to cut across. It is an ongoing safety concern, that intersection.

[00:26:26] And, yes, the shopping center does not want us to close either entrance. I understand. We are moving forward with the Stonewall Park Trail extension that will connect the Point of Woods neighborhoods over to Liberia.

[00:26:43] That's, again, fully funded by federal funding. We are going to construction to replace the remaining two signal wire traffic signals in the city, the one out at the Lockheed entrance on Godwin and the one down by Station 21 at Dumfries and Millick.

[00:27:02] That will eliminate all span wire traffic signals in the city, so everything will be on a mast. Longstreet Drive is going to construction. That is water, electric, and sidewalk. The roundabout is going to right-of-way.

[00:27:20] So we are in right-of-way acquisition. There's only a few properties, but they're, you know, the roundabout is largely designed to be within the existing right-of-way. We are moving into right-of-way acquisition on this and moving into construction. So depending on length of right-of-way, I don't have an anticipated date for construction yet, but we are moving forward on that, as well as Mathis Avenue, which is both in right-of-way acquisition as well.

[00:27:42] So quite a few parcels on the Mathis project, especially on the non-shopping center side that we have to deal with. Yes, sir. Impact, if any, significant, the decision on Route 28 has on the roundabout concept out here.

[00:28:05] I'm assuming we're anticipating less traffic than we now will be. The roundabout was designed both, even the information we presented, and I don't have all the numbers in front of me tonight, but even with, we designed the roundabout both with and without Route 28 traffic in anticipation of this.

[00:28:22] the most recent numbers from our most recent modeling is that the roundabout before some of the movements start to go to a failing condition can be, that's at 50% traffic growth on the corridor by 2050, I want to say. I might be off on my ears a little bit, but 50% growth when realistically, I think the most recent numbers we saw from VDOT were over that time, 15%. So we, the roundabout can handle a lot more traffic and always more than a signalized intersection.

[00:28:51] Yeah, there will be additional impacts on it, but the roundabout is designed to accommodate that. I'm not intended to turn this in any way into a discussion of 28 fallout and all that stuff, but is there any consideration given to not necessarily widen, technically widened Centerville Road, but actually creating service lanes or feeder lanes?

[00:29:15] In other words, if you want to shop at these vendors, get off of 28 and go down this service lane. I think in general, and this goes back to our February conversation, the council and the community are going to need to have a conversation about rethinking how Route 28 runs really from that Liberia intersection we talked about through the downtown down to Cockle Road.

[00:29:38] That's a much longer planning conversation, but I think you're absolutely right. Everything in that corridor is going to need, we have for, I don't even know how many years, talked about the bypass project as a solution for traffic. the bypass goes away. We need to have a serious and extensive conversation to rethink how 28 works through the city. Thank you.

[00:30:00] Mr. Alcino. Thank you, Mayor. I hate to be going to the back here, but there's a little delay, and so I'm going back to page 275 for a moment. That's the Dean Drive. Can you move to Osierie and move every sidewalk? Yes, sir.

[00:30:20] There'll be a sidewalk on the north side of the road, the data center side. The other side of the road will be added as those parcels redevelop. All right, so there'll be a partial sidewalk to begin with. Is that correct? The goal is to have sidewalk on one side of the road.

[00:30:37] That would be the north side. The city will fill in any gaps, but yes, one side to begin with. All right, and then on page 276, Liberia Avenue. So, remind me again of the idea where we're talking about Liberia from Quarry to Centerville Road, correct?

[00:30:58] Yes, sir. And how are you, what is the plan for adding an additional lane on the bridge? Our current modeling, even without the bypass, does not show us that we need to widen the bridge at this point, but it is definitely something that we need to continue to monitor as traffic conditions change at this point.

[00:31:28] As of today, and as part of your mobility master plan, we did specifically ask our consultant to look at that because you would think it's a bottleneck looking at it. But at this point, our modeling does not show we need to address the bridge. That is a huge cost impact that we need to constantly monitor because when it comes time, that's a big cost we would have to plan for.

[00:31:49] But at this point, we're okay. And in addition, it would be the construction that would have to take place if you're expanding or widening the bridge as well. That would slow traffic down. So the plan is to remove the median, is that correct?

[00:32:05] For the Liberia project or for the bridge? For the Liberia project and Centerville Road. It's a combination of modifying the median. Some median will still be there.

[00:32:21] It's in design right now. And then also some widening towards the property owners. If you recall from the use permit you did for the car dealership, there is some right-of-way out of those property owners that we've already started to negotiate, but not a huge impact on the actual property owners. And I know this is Liberia, but now given what's recently happened, About the extension, are there any thoughts that are taking place on the staff level about

[00:32:52] Centerville Road from the intersection with Liberia to where Sudley Road comes in, particularly the center part, which is a shared turn lane all the way down or up the road?

[00:33:11] Yeah, I think that's going to be part of that planning process I just discussed. I think that's, and Council Member Smith also alluded to it, I think that's a huge planning exercise we're going to have to go through over the next few years to think about how these roads are going to function without the bypass.

[00:33:27] I would say that corridor from Liberia to Sudley absolutely is going to need some additional study. And it will be a project that comes in your comprehensive plan to pursue. All right, very good. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

[00:33:48] Construction is always a blessing, but it creates chaos. Will the third line on 234 will be done before the construction starts to run about? Or is it going to go very close to it? Because that's a big concern. We've had some internal. I don't have a schedule tonight, but we've had a lot of recent conversations about these projects.

[00:34:06] Another one of concern is we're thinking about the roundabout on the Mathis Avenue project at the same time. So sequencing is going to be a challenge, but I don't have a specific construction schedule on any of these projects. but we're absolutely thinking about how to stagger things or how things need to go to construction so that we don't have all that side of the town under construction at once.

[00:34:28] One of the challenges of deferred infrastructure improvements is that they all come at the same time. But we are definitely thinking about how to stagger. And speaking of projects in that area, T-94, if you go to 282.

[00:34:49] 282. I know I need my readers. I need to turn my readers, sorry. 282 is the Sudley Sidewalk. This is the sidewalk on the north side of Sudley Road from Grant Avenue down to the shopping center. This is your number one transportation priority in terms of safety. Big road, needs a sidewalk on the north side.

[00:35:05] We are also in design. We will start engaging with property owners this year as well. So you'll have quite a few property owners. Sidewalk projects require a lot of one-on-one with the individual property owners to make sure that, yes, we need sidewalk. It's a busy road. It needs to be safer. But also those property owners all have their particular landscape features and such that need to be dealt with.

[00:35:25] So these projects take a little bit of time to negotiate. And TU-83, TU-96 is also funded to go to construction. This is the remaining shared use path on Godwin Drive. This runs you from Wellington all the way up to the hospital at Selde Road.

[00:35:43] And this is a 10-foot shared use path. No right-of-way really required. Fully funded again by the state. Are we going to talk about 86?

[00:36:00] 86. Dr. Matthews, haven't you done? Yes, I'm ready. For that, I mean, it makes a big difference. and they might move things along because of the right-of-way, I guess.

[00:36:19] I don't know if I can put it like that. My biggest concern that other than 28, this is really the biggest route, I would say, or the secondary. We have heard some residents get traffic sometimes even farther down.

[00:36:37] So my ask for this, is there any way that it can, I don't know if it goes all the way that far, The Mathis Project one? Actually, no, I don't think it goes as far as I want it to.

[00:36:53] But my ask, has any thought been put on Mathis to make it like a secondary instead of making it left on Liberia? Since Liberia has such a big, I mean, Liberia is our biggest, regardless of where you are at.

[00:37:13] I don't want to call it dangerous, but it is, you know, our biggest place where we have things happening. So the other option, I'm guessing, will be trying to put it down, fire it down in Mathis. But I, you know, I had in check that this ends at Liberia, so.

[00:37:30] Yeah, this project. So, right, so what we're, I think, the queuing on Liberia between Mathis and Centerville becomes problematic. But that'll be one of the intersections we look at in the future of how to control that traffic at that intersection, correct?

[00:37:50] This summer, we'll be looking at it as part of when we retime the signals this summer. So, yeah, we can take another look at it. Are there bike lanes in play? Are you and Mattis also on the road? Not on either one of the road.

[00:38:08] The way the bike route is set up right now, Portner is the bike route. Portner Avenue has historically been the main bike route. Mathis has a longer-term plan to add bike lanes on the shopping center side. That would be done in conjunction with redevelopment of the shopping center. So there's actually a longer-term notion to add a separated bike-head facility on the shopping center side.

[00:38:29] But that's not in the plan, the capital. Two new projects for consideration are 284 and 285. We obviously talked a lot recently about how traffic calming is becoming a major issue within our neighborhood.

[00:38:52] So we are recommending the introduction of a traffic calming capital project for the first time that we intend to continue funding beyond this year. But the first year is actually funded by a federal grant, assuming the federal grant stays. It's a, your comprehensive plan essentially designates safety corridors throughout the city.

[00:39:10] Liberia, the residential portion, Hastings Drive are two of those that are constant sources of concern about speeding, crashes, accidents to my department, to the PD. So the grant, the way it's set up is basically a federal grant to take a look at these corridors to see what kind of safety improvements can be made for pedestrians to slow traffic.

[00:39:33] Second hyphen, Hastings Drive from Clover Hill and Dufferys. Can you bold and underline that? Yes. Thank you, ma'am. Emphasize, that is a major idea. All right. I mean, on Hastings Drive in particular, because there is discussions about how to make traffic go slower, this road is designed for speeds of 45-plus mile an hour.

[00:39:57] It's signed at 25. We get a lot of speeding complaints, a lot of safety complaints, So we need to take a look at the road geometry, including and potentially do you need to have two lanes in each direction on that road or does it make more sense as a one-lane road based on volumes? It seems to have become a favorite cut-through from people going further west on Prince William County more than in the evening.

[00:40:20] Curiously, around about rush hour, it seems to have picked up. From a volume perspective, it can handle fewer lanes, but the way these grants work, two things. one we have to do a lot of community outreach a lot of community conversations second the way the federal money is works it has to be reversible so it's a truly a pilot where we don't something we probably should have done on grant avenue quite honestly all those years ago was painted first see how it works and then make the changes the way the fed money works on both of these is that we do it with paint flexi post delineators things that can be reversed proof of concept show that speeds are slower and then over the years the city can choose to build it out or you know

[00:40:59] on Hastings Drive, look at other sections and see if it needs to be done. A lot more to come. There'll be a lot of public meetings before anything gets implemented on these projects. I do intend in future budgets to propose this money using local NVTA money to continue so we can tackle the Main Street pilot we're doing or other neighborhoods and say, hey, we have a concern about speeding. The council will have a small amount of money set aside each year to address these smaller neighborhood traffic calming projects, which I really believe out of your mobility master plan are becoming a big issue within the neighborhoods. Especially since we do not control what goes on around us. We're finding that we get more cut-through traffic

[00:41:37] through our neighborhoods, so we believe this is a long-term investment for you to be more targeted because we don't know where they're all at yet. The cut-through traffic decides on their own. And last but not least, to finish out transportation, we're working on Sudley Road, obviously, on the Third Lane Project, on the other side, the hospital side of the road.

[00:42:02] Well, he has once again secured full federal funding for the bike and pedestrian facilities that during the third lane project, we committed to taking additional look at bike and pet facilities on this corridor. They're not really a priority for the subtly third lane project. So we said we would come back and come up with a new project. So we are, we have it in future years, but we have been informed the feds are recommending full funding on this project as well. So this will be closer to 2030. We'll work with the hospital, with the Wawa site, with the Marsteller site.

[00:42:32] but this would be expanding the bike that head facilities on that piece of solid road, which is lacking. So one more project to enter the CIP. Again, I'm a broken record on this, but our philosophy on transportation projects is do the concept planning, identify the funding, and only after you've done those steps and you have some community input and you have the funding should it enter the CIP.

[00:42:54] So I'm not bringing you ever a project that's pie in the sky without any money to back it up. And it doesn't sit in the book for 20, 25 years, Madam Mayor. That is all I have.

[00:43:11] Just one item to throw out is one person's opinion for a future project, which would be pedestrian bridge over road road tracks from behind, or the area of the MIFCO property over towards Baldwin School, the VRE parking lot.

[00:43:33] Right now, people have to go either all the way down to Main Street or up to Fairview to cross over road road tracks to live safely. And as we redevelop City Hall property on down the street here with the MIFCO property, I'm sure some of that will be residential, so it will be even more demand.

[00:43:57] So not a today thing, but something to think about for the future. Because I know that takes, dealing with the railroad takes a lot easier now. Easier now, yes. A little easier. A little easier. I'm sorry for jumping, but what would be the difference between that and what it's already being worked or thought through the VRE and the TPV.

[00:44:31] I'm sorry. The good news is VRE is proposing to extend as part of their project for the platform widening the pedestrian path down to the City Hall lot and down to the Prince William lot, so extending our really nice pedestrian walkway to connect into both of those lots.

[00:44:48] The area is also looking at whether Battle Street pedestrian vehicular crossing should be closed. I was on a call with Council Member Luna and Council Member Smith where we expressed some concerns and the need to engage with the city before that goes. So it's a mix.

[00:45:04] There's no discussion. At one point, the platforms were going to be on the Prince William parking lot. They seem to have changed their scope again. So now we're just talking about pedestrian connections in the area where Council Member Wolfe is referring to. Well, I'm talking further down. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all the way down here.

[00:45:20] Yeah, at one point, the platform ran. At one point, they had the platform running all the way down Prince William Street. You still got to get over tracks. Again, I don't want to say, but I recall, you know, the whole point is that to be connected all the way down to the county, right?

[00:45:41] Yes. But I can remember if it's, you know, TPV or if it's, and again, it might be too early, but, you know, like, I don't know. i'll look into it but i know there there was one of the plans that i have seen that is like to connect all of that all the way down we are we are actually advancing a grant at this point in combination with the county and manassas park to extend it's a rail with trail project it's actually a grant that will be coming to you at some point for approval because it's going to be a three-way uh agreement so that's in the works the idea is that that extends all the way down

[00:46:16] to broad i get my parks mixed up bull run in this situation um but it's actually pretty cool the three jurisdictions are collaborating on that and certainly the section to manassas park we believe with the change in railroad ownership we're going to make some progress on but that the idea would be the pedestrian path in downtown manassas could be extended all the way at least to manassas park so more to come on that project and it's and it's nvta funded potentially which is part of the part of our uh you'll see a grant request at some point for that application that is all i have on

[00:46:54] general government this evening your honor that's pretty keep going mayor we have a couple directions to go uh if you look at your calendar you will know that wednesday night we must determine an advertised tax rate wednesday night my goal would be to put you in a good place tonight leading into wednesday so we can have some productive conversations if you have direction to staff

[00:47:27] tonight that will give us a couple of days to work on any questions you may need answered to get you there i think what we're prepared to do tonight if you would like there's two two items the commissioner of revenues here he can speak to you about the tax rates for surrounding jurisdictions so we can begin to have some of those conversations of what you look like compared to your neighbors we also if you want as you know we have the 2.1 million in unassigned

[00:48:05] funds we could get head nods in a direction that you may want to go there you may want to wait to wednesday tonight wednesday night to start having those final conversations but what we would look for you tonight is to provide some direction and have some conversations where we want to go with these items 90 at once i think it'd be a lot easier to have those conversations on wednesday

[00:48:37] with mr osin in the room it would i would agree it'd be easier to have everybody around the table but if you have information you want us to gather before wednesday so we're not scrambling at the table wednesday night to get you answers we would like to get those questions tonight whether it's to staff or your elected commissioner of revenue one question i'm sure and i know you don't have

[00:49:08] the answer to it would be if we went ahead and moved an increase in the computers and data center taxes now i know mr small has recommended waiting on that um i'm assuming mr commissioner we have not received from the uh data center on hastings the report so we couldn't we couldn't hazard a guess as to how much money that would i could hazard a guess but it'd be a major hazard yeah i'd just be making up a number right now okay just want to ask make sure okay thank you well

[00:49:46] that's a uh i think it's a good good starting point mayor because we had these conversations last year at budget time i think part of that vice mayor is philosophical when you look at those let's look at the data center computer rates look at all the ones around us of where they're at And then is changing years going to prevent development of that?

[00:50:14] I think that's really your philosophical question in differences between your economic development director and then in general philosophy. And I will let the group know I will make a motion to move those rates up to $3.60.

[00:50:31] I don't see any reason to wait on the day thing. That's where I'm at. The computers and data center tax, which is currently $2.15, go ahead and move it up to the $3.60 maximum that we're allowed to cap it out because that's what every other surrounding jurisdiction has done, and I think that sends an important signal to the citizens, whatever else we do on any other tax, not prejudging that, that we are being as aggressive as we can in capturing other revenue sources.

[00:51:10] And the data centers, they know. They're not stupid. They do. They know this is coming. so they could care less well you could but but well and and that's the conversation because well no theresa it's true because they don't have infrastructure well you there's a conversation to be had that if you know again the budget's half and half you know it's half property and half other stuff and if you increase personal property taxes rate and therefore your computer

[00:51:45] rate that will generate x revenue that could come off the real estate side i'm not saying you want to do that but i agree that's that's part of the equation you could look at um when are you getting some estimates i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry uh yeah i would like to point out for the public because i don't know if this was you know published uh the list that we have and i truly appreciate it because this is an eye-opening. So out of seven localities that include ours,

[00:52:18] five of those localities already have the same amount set for all of them. So personal property computers and data center computers. And we are the only different with a staffer. The other thing that is important to me is that other than Manassas Park we are well we are pretty much even if we were moving to 3.6 we are pretty much at the lower end which I know is a little surprise but even you know considering supporting you

[00:52:54] know your what you're bringing to the table you know it's still we're gonna be only 0.1 above Manassas Park, which is one of the lowest, other than Focker, there's 3.45.

[00:53:10] So we're still going to be lower than Prince William, because Prince William is a 3.7. So even moving in that direction, we still are lower than Prince William, and it is something that everybody, it looks like, you know, almost everybody is doing.

[00:53:28] So I just want to basically voice the position that localities all have the same rate. I don't know why we had it different, but I will support Vice Mayor. Well, thank you.

[00:53:45] The part on the personal property is just me musing. I will sit with Ms. Bergeron and try to figure out some numbers, but that would be a significant decision for this council to make, very significant.

[00:54:01] To raise the personal property rate. I've never said that. Okay. No, because for the residents, they might don't have the sheep. I want to show that we still are under Venezuela. That's the number one that we're compared to.

[00:54:16] And then Manassas Park is just 0.1 away from us. And they all have had a stray rate. So we're just coming up to a port out of seven localities. It's only two, including ourselves, that don't have the same rate for everything.

[00:54:31] So I think, you know, it is time, and it is, you know, that's what I was trying to say. But I'm not trying to change it. I still want to keep the personal as it is, and then just I believe it is important that we move up to four, just like five other localities have gone out of this page.

[00:54:49] I just wanted to ask, Tim, when are the reports due from the team? They're due April 15th, I know. You know, it's a long ways away, and I have been in contact and asked for information sooner, but I just haven't gotten it.

[00:55:06] Thanks. Mr. Smith. Yeah, consistent, actually, Madam Mayor, with your concern that you expressed at the last work session, that we keep in mind circumstances and potential circumstances for our residents.

[00:55:23] What is the rule, again, if we were to hypothetically lower the personal property tax to 3.5%, for example we could then not still take the data center computers to three six you cannot have the data centers higher than personal property tax just for clarification from mr damara uh real estate tax rates they're all the ones you're compared to does that include any combined

[00:55:59] public safety fund fire levy fund from our other jurisdictions we are very straightforward and open I'm very proud of you guys for being that way. You go on the website of everybody else, and they've got districts out the yin-yang.

[00:56:16] And I put some of them down here, but there are others. And that's what the underneath real estate are listed there. You know, you got $555 in Fairfax for solid waste annual fee. Do they also pay a weekly or monthly fee like we do?

[00:56:35] I don't know. And then there's anywhere from $2.1 to $0.16 in Fairfax added depending on where you live. And I just put $2.1 to $0.16, but there are like a half a dozen in between there as well.

[00:56:54] So ours is $1.26. It's simple. And most others are not. None of them are simple except for Manassas Park. So for me to tell you exactly what everybody else's personal real estate rate is, is very, very difficult because it depends on where you live in that jurisdiction.

[00:57:20] That was exactly my point and the reason I wanted you to answer that question. It's not necessarily apples to apples, although we are very transparent of a combined rate with ours. So we need to remember that.

[00:57:37] And then we don't know yet because your other jurisdictions haven't voted either. But if you listen to the news, some of your other jurisdictions in northern Virginia are talking up to a 10 cent tax increase.

[00:57:55] We, at least to this point, we have not talked about anything like that. So I just wanted to keep that on the table. This is an opportunity. We hear frequently of how we compare. This body has not even discussed that at this point when these other jurisdictions are two things.

[00:58:17] The things that I have personally watched is not only tax increase, but some service effort reductions at the same time. So I want to commend you for not doing either one of those. Mr. Osina. Thank you, Matt.

[00:58:34] Mr. Bergeron, where in our budget book, looking at the 24-25 tax rate information sheet there, the chip of the manaskers, low mid, et cetera, where would I find in the budget book what each of these categories for finances produces?

[00:58:58] Page 35. I heard page 35.

[00:59:17] And then 38 is B-ball, Tom. Did he cut the page 6? I think you want page 36, Tom.

[00:59:40] Yeah, it begins 36 on. It's up one by one. Very good. I just wanted to look at this prior to Wednesday. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. Are we ready to talk about the other ones?

[00:59:59] No, no, no. To talk about the other ones on this sheet? I wanted to ask. The only one here that I see, you know, different, and I know some of them are slightly higher or the same as the other localities.

[01:00:17] But can you, I think I see the kind of amount of money, but can you explain me about the Beeple Hotel Motel? Because we are down at 22. I see Prince William at 26 and Memphis at 26.

[01:00:33] So, let me ask you, what would the implications would that be? And if there is an opportunity to match the other ones? You can do whatever you would like to do. Yes, it's not a large amount of money. I don't know what it is.

[01:00:48] I don't have it in front of me. Yeah, I know. And you guys can set your rates at whatever you would like them to be. But, and I'm not sure why we didn't do that last year.

[01:01:05] I really don't reason, though. You matched them last year? Yeah, they changed. They must have changed. They changed the same time we changed. That's why we didn't match them last year, because they switched a route on us. Don't worry about me. I'll be looking at, you know, matching if that's possible, because, you know, some of them might even change.

[01:01:30] But, you know, if our intent last year was to match, I'm trying to say that there's an impact to our residents. And, you know, we have seen, especially in David. Like right now, we lack enough rooms, I will say, when it comes to this.

[01:01:53] I don't know if I'm in the right direction, but I would like to see him match. Well, and let's double-check the number. You never know. The guy that looked these up might have gotten them wrong. There was quite a few numbers here. So I'd like to double-check that before we decide to raise ours above theirs.

[01:02:10] I'm not sure if I got that right or wrong. Mr. Tamir, did we deliberately not change? I remember a discussion about the hotel, motel, and what it included. I'm trying to think. There was some reason, if I remember correctly, and I can't completely remember why it's been a full year, but there was something that there was some reason for it.

[01:02:36] A full year, I mean, it's tough. We'll think about it.

[01:02:53] So what I've heard put on the table is we've had some of those at least discussions tonight, but to go over it any further, you prefer to have the full elected body sitting at the table.

[01:03:14] We are prepared to answer any questions for you tonight that will help you get there Wednesday. And then the next thing we want to look at is moving forward after Wednesday as we get into these non-tax supported funds.

[01:03:31] Mr. Burke and I are working with your airport director and AvPorts to come in and do a briefing during this process so you have a better understanding where we are at with passenger service.

[01:03:48] there are also positions that the airport director put in for we didn't approve so i think you're going to hear from him and aft ports i guess i'll put it bluntly is by the agreement aft ports should be paying for those however if things are delayed is aft ports willing to do that wanting to do it now our our message mr burke and i just met with the airport director last week our message to him was even if it's not in our budget when it's ready to move forward that could

[01:04:25] be august we come back and do a budget amendment we can always add it two months into the budget year there's no point in trying to come forward especially if we do not know all the answers to those potential roadblocks that may delay it and then if there's the other the other ask is that if there's any other items or departments that you want to hear from directly in this work session after we set our way Wednesday night.

[01:05:04] Everything we're doing is trying to set you up with things that would impact your decision-making for Wednesday night. I don't believe these other discussions do that. Thank you. May I ask a couple questions about the Marcellar document that we were given to Matt, I guess?

[01:05:26] So I'm reading over the bullet points and I guess trying to understand how Marcella will fit into the other activities, afternoon activities and things that are offered around the city. Recognizing that, of course, this is way more available time in the option to fully staff and option to fully staff.

[01:05:50] We get there with the 50,000 that is on the staff recommended sheet or no. No. So the option two fully staffed is the three part-time positions and current discussions are somewhere between one or two is what we heard at the last work session. So ultimately, yes, you need three part-time positions to get to the maximum hours for the center. Option one, this is again, when we passed out and discussed during retreat, council added a full-time position in the last budget. He's here, he's working. So we do have capacity to do some things at the center.

[01:06:27] It's very difficult to operate a recreation and community center with just one person. You need two people for safety for a variety of reasons. So the point here is between option one and option two. So if you add one position, we can get, if you take the base option one, we can get additional hours.

[01:06:44] We would look at evenings and weekends, quite honestly, to add with that part-time position. So we will make it work with however many positions council feels like they can afford in this budget cycle. So we will be able to do something as early as we're really looking at April to start doing some piloting programming with the one position you've already fully funded.

[01:07:03] So it's to give you just an idea of what a fully staffed center looks like versus what we can do today for you. So you had had a question I know you shared with the city manager about some of the other recreation we do around the site. We do have a part-time position that splits its time between doing some of the open gym out at the Boys and Girls Club and running the pavilion.

[01:07:25] So that position is still fully funded. That's a part-time position. um we're still going to move forward with changing how we do open gyms so that it's not starting up in october and ending in february we're going to try to move it to a year-round uh program so we have a constant presence in the boys and girls club we don't own that facility but we really need to have a constant presence in there for people to know that you can come use those gyms so right now what we're really learning is we're seeing like 450 people a week with the way we have our open gym but a lot of coaches are telling us they're you know they just don't know if we're going to be open and they're not going to invest in using that facility if we're gone

[01:08:02] in february for another year so we're making some other changes with existing staffing we can do more with more staffing but we will make do with whatever council feels they can do this year my biggest concern on on the option one and i know everything you know can change and things can change you know i i see them more like a school hours and i do you know believe there are different And you already have groups there that they are already active and they, you know, they use the place.

[01:08:34] But when it comes to programming or anything like that, you know, I, you know, I don't, I believe the library already has hours for some of the, you know, the little ones that don't go to school. And, you know, for this one, my, my, my idea was more towards, you know, the non-school hours.

[01:08:58] It's just, I'm one out of six, so I just want to make sure that I voice that because I believe this is an investment on our future and on our kids. And, you know, there are so many things the police department is already doing.

[01:09:15] And, you know, I believe those are, like, guiding that they can have such a great return. And I don't know if that will be possible. I don't know what else we can do up there. But it's just, even if we already have open gym down here, like the kids are not going to walk from that area through this area.

[01:09:36] My opinion. I mean, we're absolutely looking at running evening programming. I mean, so at the Boys and Girls Club, to your point, very different parts of the city geographically. So that's why we want to get that constant presence at the Boys and Girls Club. I mean, we've built the schedule with the existing staff, pushing the evenings as much as we feel like we can do with one full-time person, 40 hours a week.

[01:09:59] So definitely the additional positions will help push us into the evenings and weekends. So adding one position, if you can afford it in your budget, we will absolutely push the evenings and weekends as much as possible to try to get in. I absolutely agree that getting into the evenings is where we want to be.

[01:10:18] Sorry, just to continue to clarify. So adding a position, that person would be split between boys and girls in the... Be almost exclusively more.

[01:10:34] I mean, all the positions are going to work where they need to work, but it would almost, it would really be dedicated towards Marsteller. We have a part-time position already doing the Boys and Girls Club. Okay. Yeah, remember, for discussion is up to three part-time people for Marsteller.

[01:10:54] That's kind of where this list came from, the things we didn't fund and where we were. You essentially have a part-time person who works at the pavilion in the summer, and then in the winter, they currently are working at the open gym, but we'd be able to shovel things around.

[01:11:12] So there's been, sorry, I just got to clarify, there's been discussions around the table. Last week was everything from one of the part-time people all the way to funding all three of them. So as Matt said, he and his staff are prepared to increase the opening of more stellar hours with whatever you decide to do.

[01:11:42] I have a question. Back to page 7, all funds summary. Can you just explain, I think I heard the reason, but the decrease in the general fund, $15,166,000.

[01:12:06] There was a use of one-time capital reserve funds in last year's budget to purchase property. That isn't in the budget anymore, so it shows up as a decrease. Was that Marsteller? Yeah, Marsteller and the Shopping Center are both from different types of reserves that are housed in the general fund, ARPA and Capital Reserves.

[01:12:33] Okay, thanks. Any other questions, comments? Yeah, I would, unless you have some discussions amongst yourselves before Wednesday, we are prepared to be here for a while on Wednesday night.

[01:13:00] As we have been in the past, the vice mayor seems to be confident it's not going to take that long. But if you have additional questions between now and Wednesday, please reach out to Mr. Burke or one of the three ACMs.

[01:13:16] We will get you that answer back to everybody. So you will be prepared to have, again, good discussions to hopefully get us there. We can do it quick. Nobody's going to complain. If I was to look for $130,000 within the increases on the different place of the budget, I know it makes it difficult because there is, you know, like a reasoning behind each one of them.

[01:13:51] Can you point me on the, like, the, I know that we cannot do it, but I just, if there was, like, a bottom line to come up with that money, $130,000, what would it be? be for me to look for because I'm looking at the information technology fund or things like that but I remember you know I will go through each one of them oh no no no no no I'm just saying if I needed to make a cut and I'm looking for a hundred a hundred and thirty thousand dollars

[01:14:24] cost uh can you find me which way will be the uh fastest way or do I just bring it up and uh and try to have a conversation private with you. Can I add?

[01:14:42] Would any of the changes in the B-Poll rates result in $130,000 additional dollars? In the B-Poll rates that we were talking about matching? How much do you want to change them? I mean, nothing, I don't think it would, you'd have to change them like a lot? Yeah, significantly.

[01:15:04] Well, also the contingency has two point one five zero that you could so that yeah but if that i'm not even contemplating that so on top of that cut i'm trying to cut 130 000 is that something because we we did before but it was based on what we were presented so uh you know i i know i'm not trying to ask you where i'm just trying to ask which of the funds you can fund me so i can do my own and i ask my my questions

[01:15:42] develop my idea. Can I ask a question, and you may not want to answer it. Do you want $130,000 removed from the budget, or are you trying to free up $130,000 to use towards something else?

[01:16:01] I'm trying to free up $130,000 from the current without looking at the honor sign. general fund these would be funded out of the general fund the easiest place would look what would be the general fund you know I can recall I know we did it together when we had cuts and we did and positions that we were in funding and that was part of the cuts there's nothing else we are done any questions

[01:16:39] your clerk or council has another scheduling question just quick question for the november meeting the joint meeting with the school board the school board has asked if you would be willing to meet following the legislative breakfast on november the 6th so you would just have a legislative breakfast since everyone's already there there's food refreshment school board city council they figured it would just be easiest to go into that joint meeting um right immediately following the legislative. We did the, we sent out the poll or whatever. We did the poll, but the

[01:17:15] dates just still didn't, didn't align for this. That's not enough for me. I'm barely be here for the breakfast. Yeah. So you'd like us to find other dates just because the, the dates are really limited where we can meet in November. They didn't give you other dates. They just said, see if we could do that. Yeah. That was just the best possible date for them. I don't know. We have at least one that cannot do that, and we'd like them to do at least two more, and then we'll come back.

[01:17:53] For Wednesday, I have a lobby day, so I might be late. Okay. Yeah, so I will. I mean, just let Eric, yeah. Let him know. Yeah, because I will do my best, pay the tolls and everything, but I don't know if I can make it.

[01:18:11] Okay. Just keep keeping up in the phone. Thank you. Anything else? Mr. Ossina, you good? I am good. I will see everybody Wednesday and Thursday. You are adjourned, thank you.

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