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Prince William Board of County Supervisors Meeting, Tuesday, April 23, 2024

Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2024
Place: Prince William County Board of County Supervisors, Virginia
Length: 1h 47m (video)
Official meeting video (Prince William County, Granicus): https://pwcgov.granicus.com/player/clip/3458
Official Board of County Supervisors page (Prince William County): https://www.pwcva.gov/department/board-county-supervisors

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[00:28:51] All right. Good evening. It is 7 Thursday on Tuesday, April 23rd. Please join me for a moment of silence. Guys, if you are able, for the Pledge of Allegiance.

[00:29:13] The United States and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. All right. We are now on to item three, public comment time.

[00:29:34] We will hear in person and remote public comments. Please note that public comment is for items not listed on the agenda as part of a public hearing. We have three people signed up with in-person public comments. So I will call you Elizabeth Matarama, Lori Williams, and Teresa Benz.

[00:29:53] Please state your name and where your magisterial district or where you generally reside. Lori, Teresa, if you guys can go ahead and get in line.

[00:30:16] Elizabeth Matarama, Gainesville District, Prince William County, for almost 48 years. Two weeks ago, I came and spoke to you about the $100 home assessments for those parcels in the Prince William Digital Gateway. I asked how this figure was derived and who made the decision for that assessment.

[00:30:33] I thereafter sent you an email reiterating my concerns and questions and asked for answers. At last week's board meeting, I showed you various discrepancies in land value assessments for parcels in the Digital Gateway. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason as to how these numbers came to be, and again, I asked how and who made those calculations and under what county ordinance or state statute.

[00:30:57] I have not received any answers to my request, and after asking two weeks ago where the buck stops in this county, I searched the county government website to find out. Lo and behold, I came upon this county government organizational chart.

[00:31:12] I am pleased that it actually shows the residents of this county at the very top, followed by five divisions with the Board of County Supervisors front and center, down to the county executive with many departments under his management. So, Mr. Shorter, I have decided that the buck stops with you.

[00:31:31] Luckily, back in May of last year, I attended a historical commission meeting wherein Assistant County Attorney Skoff gave a class on FOIA. Therefore, Madam Clerk, could you please note that in accordance with the Virginia Freedom of Information Act, Section 2.2-3700, I am hereby verbally requesting of County Executive Shorter, Finance Director Atreid, and Real Estate Assessor Lindner, copies of any writing or recording in any format that is prepared or owned by or in the possession of any officers, employees,

[00:32:07] or agents related to the calculations of assessments or reassessments, including any county ordinances, Virginia state statutes, or maps used as a matter of law pertaining to all parcels in the digital gateway from December 13, 2023 to the present date. I would also like to request that all charges for supplying the records I have requested be estimated in advance and that I be notified of such charges. However, I would also like to request a waiver of fees in that the disclosure of the requested information is in the public interest and will contribute significantly

[00:32:45] to the public's understanding of how these Digital Gateway 2024 assessments were calculated. If access to the records I am requesting will take longer than five days, please contact me with information about when I might expect copies of the requested records.

[00:33:01] If you deny any or all of this request, please cite each specific exemption you feel justifies the refusal to release the information and notify me of the appeal procedures available to me under the law. Thank you. - Thank you, next speaker.

[00:33:24] - Good evening, my name is Lori Williams, Woodbridge District resident, also Woodbridge District School Board representative, but this evening I'm here speaking on, as a private citizen and a parent, I just wanted to congratulate the board for all of your hard work and preparation for this evening.

[00:33:40] I am also appreciative as a parent and as well as a school board member for the additional money slotted for schools. And in speaking in that vein as a parent, I know that next month on your agenda will be the topic of the Sports and Entertainment Center. And so I just wanted to start my advocacy early for that.

[00:33:57] As a parent of a former AAU basketball player, I would really appreciate, considering I have another one possibly in the queue, to be able to spend my time, my tax dollars here in the county. I do not think that there could be any greater form of entertainment use here than the sports entertainment complex.

[00:34:19] I also feel that while the price tag may be large, it is still considerably less than building a school brand new, and you'll generate tax revenue dollars. And I think this county, after being a bedroom county for decades, could use any other additional source of revenue besides burying it on the backs of homeowners.

[00:34:39] And I know that you're only going to be able to increase the data center tax so much in the coming year. So every little bit will help, and it will also go along with the theme of continuing to make Prince William County a tourist destination. So I will see you again at the next meeting and good luck on your budget vote this evening.

[00:34:56] Thank you. Thank you. Ms. Mintz. Three cements, Potomac District. I want to thank law enforcement and first responders for all they do for us.

[00:35:12] Our government no longer supports the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Independence. We now live under a two-tier justice system, dictatorship rules. Only Democrats matter. The establishment Republicans belong in the Democrat Party.

[00:35:33] Get rid of racism and social justice and the DI groups. These groups are nothing but George Soros activities, and they're nothing but hate groups to divide us. And you're using our tax dollars. Get George Soros to give you all the money.

[00:35:49] Leave our dollars alone. At this very moment, election interference is going on. Mainstream media carry the water for the Democrats. they do not report the news they tell you the news and i'm i just think it's sad that people listen to these news services nbc etc and can msnbc is the worst besides cnn i don't know how you can't see what's going on see it for yourself and why do the democrats and republicans find a

[00:36:24] fight former president trump because president trump worked for the people the citizens of America. He put us first. Now, right now in Dearborn, Michigan, we have Muslims chanting death to America, death to Israel. This is right here in America. Again, death to America, death to Israel.

[00:36:47] This are the Muslims in Dearborn, Michigan. And our college students, they're being taught nothing but hate and division. I can't understand why people hate Israel so much. They're only a small little area, but they are hated. I would call the people I mentioned in Dearborn, Michigan, terrorists. I realize only terrorists and illegal aliens have rights here in America now under the Democrat dictatorship. Our borders are wide open. Our military men are crossing those

[00:37:24] borders. We already have terrorist cells here. So once they get enough, which I think they already do, they're going to be activated and we're going to be in trouble. And with anybody finds themselves in harm's way, I don't want to hear it. The FBI doesn't work for us. The DOJ doesn't work for us.

[00:37:44] All they're working for is to destroy America, to destroy President Trump, because he does put us first. He works for everybody. He doesn't matter. And he is not a racist. Once again, election interference is going on because this is why president trump is in the courts and they're not televising the meeting so they can lie okay i don't know how to reach you people because i tell you what i pay attention i wish you no luck thank you we are now moving on to remote public comment

[00:38:21] time we have i think maybe one person signed up just confirm you don't see anybody miss man there are no speakers at this time thank you miss man back to you madam chair all right this concludes our public comment time we are going to move on to the budget public hearing the purpose

[00:38:56] of the public hearing is to obtain public input on the following fees and the proposed fiscal 2020 2025 budget the solid waste user fee rates an increase in the storm water management fee building development fee schedule land development application review inspection fees and land use applications fee schedule and um the fire marshal's office fee schedules there are here Madam Chair, before the Board holds this public hearing and discusses and votes on levies, fees, budget items, CIP, and five-year plan, I need to declare a personal interest in these matters.

[00:39:33] My wife is a special education instructional aide with the schools. As a school's employee, my wife and I are members of a group which is affected by these matters. I will be participating in them because I am able to fairly, objectively, and in the public interest. Madam Chair, before the board holds a public hearing and discusses and votes on the levies, fees, budget items, CIP, and five-year plan, I need to declare a personal interest in this matter.

[00:40:01] My wife is a special education instructional aide with the schools. As a school employee, my wife and I are members of a group which is affected by these matters. I will be participating in them because I am able to do so fairly, objectively, and in the public interest. Thank you, Madam Chair.

[00:40:17] All right. Thank you so very much. I will now open the public hearings on the fees noted in 4A. I have two people who are signed up to speak. Again, if you're a speaker, please state your name and the Magisterial District where you generally reside.

[00:40:33] I have Teresa Menz and Herb Williams. Teresa Menz, Potomac District. I'm requesting that you guys, you people on the board, please be fiscally responsible and realize you are using, we're not a money tree.

[00:40:55] you should not be using us for a money tree once again you should be fiscally responsible which i haven't seen that and it really turns my stomach when i hear a couple people say that they can be objective when i know the past and i don't want to bring up the past right now because that's not what it's all about it's about about a public hearing and i hate to keep saying this but there's the only one person i trust up there and that's supervisor where sorry i don't trust our county exec i don't trust anybody up there okay he calls it like it is he's fiscally responsible

[00:41:34] and you guys will not listen to him by the grace of god we do have chair jefferson here because now he supervisor ware is not disrespected as much as he was before i'm sorry county exec shorter you definitely disrespected him okay i just please be spend our money wisely thank you all All right, next, Mr. Herb Williams, to the microphone.

[00:42:15] Good evening, all board members. I'm from the Woodbridge District. I'm here because I think, I believe it's a very important reason, and I must share a little bit of the history on why it was important at a premier time to have a sheriff in the mass incarceration of African Americans.

[00:42:48] I think many, maybe immigrants, may not recognize the challenges that our community began with back in the early 80s, late 70s, where mothers was being sent to jail, had mental health issues, and led to drug addiction.

[00:43:08] But they didn't care. You got mandatory time. About thousands, tens of thousands, millions around this country. And one of the blessings that came about is that we at least had a sheriff that came to fruition in this county.

[00:43:29] That he saw all these people that were being incarcerated for masks for mental health reasons, because that's what the law is all about. You get caught with cocaine, crack, you go to jail for five years.

[00:43:46] And if you were dealing, you may end up for 40 years. So our families was torn apart. And that's why Reagan was very open looking the other way, immigration, because they needed replacement of the labor that the African-Americans were performing back in those days, what you see a lot of immigrants are doing now.

[00:44:05] But it just did damage to our community, throughout our community around the nation, not just Prince Williams County. And just that I think was a blessing to for a man who who came up in the same community who were compassionate and understanding of the challenges that were at bay.

[00:44:28] And so he looked at it from a perspective. Well, when you're in here now, what can we do to make it better that when you go out, you could have a better life? So let's get you qualified for a job. Let's get you a GED. While you're sitting in here, let's get you off these drugs.

[00:44:50] Let's deal with your mental health issues. And that was the sheriff that was putting that in place. I talked to an attorney who's outside who worked in this county for over 30 years as an attorney. So many of his clients have been warded off to jail.

[00:45:12] And it was just the way it was. And the African-American community was torn apart. And like I pointed out, they looked at it this way under Reagan administration. They weren't heavily enforcing the immigration law because they needed workers to perform the labor.

[00:45:29] So they looked the other way. So people came in to replace African Americans throughout the communities around this country. So that's a story to be told. But I want to thank Sheriff Hill. Thank you, sir, for your comments. For all that he's done in that aspect of preserving whatever he could and do whatever he could while he was a sheriff in this county.

[00:45:51] Thank you very much. Thank you. We are going to go to, do we have any remote speakers? all right is there anyone else in the audience who wishes to speak all right then i am closing the public hearing there is no vote for this item we are now going to move on to the county executive the floor is yours good evening madam chair board members there's nothing for me this evening thank you all right we are going to move on to county attorney time thank you madam chair

[00:46:25] members of the board we have no items for closed session this evening i like this this is going at a pretty good clip all right we are on to supervisor's time today supervisor's time is the fiscal 2025 budget adoption that consists of 10 items as discussed last week during the budget markup and listed on today's agenda is item 7a through 7j i know we also have additional items for discussion i'm actually going to start with that i would like to start with the dale city 4th of july parade and you know miss jenkins you know you're here in the audience i apologize i

[00:47:02] didn't get to this last week. You know, we had a lot that was a long meeting. But so I'd like to start without objection. I would like to issue a directive to the county executive with regard to the newly created community events budget. As we all know, the Dale City Fourth of July parade is a tradition that brings the whole county together to celebrate our nation's birth. The county hasn't been involved in the parade for many years, and I would like to see it continue. Therefore, I would like to direct the county executive to establish the Prince William County government as one of the official sponsors of the dale city fourth of july parade and as such to allocate 25 000 from the

[00:47:39] community events budget for the county to sponsor the 2024 dale city fourth of july parade madam chair yes i apologize for the confusion i would recommend that the directive be considered and discussed after the board votes on the adoption because you have not yet created that fund of which you would like to use the money for gotcha so it needs to be budgeted and allocated first so i will move this to the end um so that we will definitely go back to it and thank you for that

[00:48:17] guidance so um additional items then i know that um and madam attorney would you recommend that we vote on the items and then go through additional items vote on each of the resolutions and then go through the additional yes madam chair members of the board i would recommend that you go down the list of items and if board members have any motions to amend those resolutions they can do so at that time after at each applicable resolution i appreciate that thank you so very

[00:48:51] much so then we are going to move on to item 7a can i get a motion to approve budget item 7a so move second all right any discussion hearing none please vote vote unanimous madam chair yes um i

[00:49:25] I just want to point out the 234 bypass transportation improvement, I believe, is something that we've been taxing in order to pay for the improvements in that corridor. And I think we're going to be looking at seeing that being completely zeroed out here within the next year or so.

[00:49:44] And so looking forward to that no longer being part of the requirements upon those who live in that corridor. But I just wanted to point that out. Thank you. All right. We're going to move on to item 7B. Can I get a motion to approve budget item 7B?

[00:50:01] Move for approval, Madam Chair. Second. Any discussion? All right, let's vote. Vote unanimous. All right, thank you.

[00:50:19] Can I get a motion? We're going to go to 7C. Can I get a motion to approve budget item 7C? Move for approval. Supervisor? Sure, but before we get into the motions, I was going to make a motion with regards to the Commonwealth's attorney's additional FTEs, but I'm not quite sure which of those items.

[00:50:38] We were going to do all that at the end. yeah we're going to do those okay because i think the common what the county attorney was saying 7c is the appropriate place for that all right then we will um for the county attorney so if we do set up item 7c how should i'm sorry budget director will explain which budget items would be applicable for the various items 7c is the county's all funds budget so if the board wishes

[00:51:14] to make any further uh changes additions reductions to the budget this is the place to do it All right, then. So that's where we will put our additional amendments. So I just, as a matter of form, should we go ahead and entertain the additional motions and then do 7C or do it as a part of 7C because they are going to be separate things?

[00:51:39] Madam Chair, members of the board, I would suggest that you have a motion and a second. And then during discussion, if there is a motion to amend or the initial motion can be a motion as is as amended, though. thank you madam chair um i'd like to make a motion to amend item 7c to include 16 ftes for

[00:52:00] the commonwealth's attorney's office second discussion all right there's no discussion should we we're going to vote on the amended oh there's i'm sorry hold on i didn't all right supervisor yes madam chair before we i just want to make sure in terms of wording are we including

[00:52:36] 16 additional ftes or 16 total ftes i think my request is the full 16 that she was requesting so be eight in addition all right supervisor weir thank you madam chair it's been a very long couple of days and i want to make something very very clear to everybody no department that's been budgeted suffered a reduction in revenue or in allocations no department had

[00:53:16] their ftes cut several departments that we're going to probably talk about tonight had additional funds and additional fte but because they also asked for a pony and mommy and daddy didn't give it to them. They've stomped off to their rooms. I've seen some of the most irresponsible behavior the last couple of days. We have agreed on many things. We have disagreed on others. We have added significant things to the budget. And I would remind everybody in this room that none of

[00:53:53] this would have been achievable had not this board collectively, and I believe unanimously, amended the tax rates to generate the revenue to cover some things. Now, except for maybe Vic.

[00:54:09] I'm not going to vote in favor of this. I think you all know why. I think the public in general knows why. But I will say that any department that has gotten an increased allocation and increased FTE has no reason to come to us or to tell the public that even though we've given them more money and more FTE, they're not going to do their job. That does not sit well with me.

[00:54:43] Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. I don't have any other speakers, so let's vote on the amended motion motion fails two to six supervisors bailey bode vega weir gordy and chair jefferson voting nay all right and just so i understand so we're going to go back to this i'm going to call for a new motion manager so uh are we saying that any um discussions of addition

[00:55:22] goes in 70 if is this where so i would have to make my uh comments about an opportunity with with the PRTC? I believe so, correct? All right. Okay, so we had our, let me just get right to it. I want to make a motion to approve $700,000 to add to our 9.1 that we are going to approve that will fully sustain and put back in operations, not that they're out of operations now, two routes along the Dell City and Montclair routes of the bus route. As we had PRTC look at potential routes

[00:56:00] that they would have to reduce or cut back on. Those are two routes that we determined yesterday are critical routes, and so we looked and found that a simple, I'm going to say simple, I know it's a lot of money, a simple $700K would save those two routes and allow us to continue a full route of those lines, which were the most important along that discussion route of route cuts.

[00:56:24] So I want to make a motion to approve $700,000 to add to our 9.1, which would make it a total of 9.8 mil, I believe that's, if I'm right, Mr. Sinclair. Yes, okay, and so that's that. All right, discussion, I see Supervisor Weir.

[00:56:45] This is going to be familiar. I, too, was at the meeting last night, and I would strongly suggest that we leave this to the PRTC board to put them back in and not fund them ourselves. PRTC came up with a list of several new options, both from a revenue standpoint and from a route standpoint last night.

[00:57:07] I believe that this board needs to come to some agreement on, and I don't think there's going to be any doubt as to where we all stand on returning these routes to service. But I think given the other opportunities presented by PRTC staff last night, there was a way for them to be funded without increasing our subsidy even more than we already have.

[00:57:29] Again, I'm not terribly amused that despite all the threatening language and emails back and forth, PRTC managed to cover one-third of the budget gap by eliminating routes from the budget that were already suspended and not going to be run.

[00:57:47] How do you save money on something that we're going to run anyway? This is bad bookkeeping, bad management. I think we need to take charge down there, and I think we can fund these with additional revenues that are in-house without laying an additional burden on a taxpayer supervisor bailey thank you madam chair um i want to first thank um my colleague uh supervisor angry for um having the meeting as the chair of the prtc board last night i think it was a very good and thorough discussion that we had last night to give us a better understanding of how we can um go back to the drawing board and and

[00:58:24] talk about the routes as we service this county. I agree with my colleague, Supervisor Weir, that there is always an opportunity for us to come to the table and have a discussion one-on-one and not send threatening emails. And that is, in fact, how I took the email that Dr. Bob sent in terms of not being collaborative. And I had that conversation with Dr. Bob.

[00:58:50] But suffice to say, we did resolve that last evening, and that Supervisor Angry had a great meeting for us to air out our dirty laundry. That's a joke. And to really come to the table and discuss what was best for the citizens.

[00:59:06] And so one of the routes that was discussed was a route in Montclair. And so I want to say to the citizens of Montclair that we did resolve that issue. However, I believe that this gives us an opportunity to take accountability for those of us that are on the PRTC board to make even wiser decisions as it relates to the routes, how we are allocating them, and be more collaborative with the executive director when he's making decisions.

[00:59:35] So I just wanted to voice that accountability. I think we made some good decisions, and I will be supporting this. Supervisor Franklin. Sure, yeah, I don't have much to add. want to again also thank um uh chair angry for uh his leadership in terms of this discussion we still have a long way ways to go and we still have a discussion left about permanent transportation funding that i hope to have uh next budget cycle uh and so i appreciate the the ability to kind of get to where we are now um and thank you to dr schneider for acknowledging uh that there are some

[01:00:13] shortfalls that he's going to have to kind of work out in his budget as we continue to kind of be a partner there but we still got a lot of work to do with regards to transportation funding this is only the beginning of the discussion and we're going to have to really figure some things out long term thank you all right quickly i i will support this but not happily so um i'll be honest we have a lot of things to figure out and part of it's on prtc you know it's not just up to prince william county to continue to fund them willy-nilly they've also before every budget need to take a

[01:00:53] hard look at their spending at how they can bring in additional revenue i see this as a one-time patch um i will support it but half-heartedly so let's take a vote motion passes five to three supervisors vega weir and gordy voting nay all right and i think we might have a chair yes that's what we're getting ready for you um madam chair uh i would like to uh propose a couple of

[01:01:28] additions to um the sheriff's department's uh budget um in our budget um last week we are in our markup we added 125 000 for on-call pay and for telecommunicators market adjustment I would also like to add an additional 4.47% pay increase in salaries and benefits for FY25, one FTE, and two vehicles for $274,000.

[01:02:02] The pay raise would be $659,892. The signing bonus increase as well of $150,000 for a total increase of $1,082,892.

[01:02:19] All right, discussion, I see. Second. Second. All right, second. Anyone for discussion? Madam Chair, my thing is grayed out, but I wanted to speak. All right, go Supervisor voting. Thank you, Madam Chair. A question for Suraz or Gordy, not completely against this.

[01:02:37] I just want to ask for clarity on how you were right at the 4.47 of the increase in salaries benefits. So based upon, um, Mr. Shorter's, uh, budget request, he, there was about a 3.3% increase in, um, uh, over FY 24 numbers in the budget. So, um, the, when you take a look at, uh, uh, comparatively speaking to other, uh, agencies, um, to get close to where they are,

[01:03:06] we were looking at a 7.8 percent total increase in pay. The 4.47 is that gap between the 3.32 and the 7.8. And so does this achieve parity for them and the police officers?

[01:03:25] It will not achieve parity. Between the minimums and the maximum in their salaries, it ranges from 7.8 to 11 percent, and in some areas it's well over 30 percent. There's still work to do to try to get to pay parity, but what this does is it gives our sheriff's deputies a pay raise that brings them closer in lines, maintains their competitiveness in this very dynamic region, and allows them to be able to retain their workforce and continue to keep pace with wage growth in the region.

[01:04:00] Thank you. Thank you for that, Supervisor Gordy. And just one comment then. Thank you for this, Supervisor Gordy. I know that the sheriff has been around to various offices to talk about various assets he has. Understanding that I'm not in a place where I support parity, so I wanted that clarity. And also understand that the county executive does have a paying compensation study baked into the budget that we'll hopefully be adopting with everything else tonight.

[01:04:24] So I look forward to having those conversations in future years. I will be supporting you, Supervisor Gordy, on this, but understand that where there's more conversations that need to be had in terms of the service budget. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right, so our monitors, our speakers are not working, so no, it's not.

[01:04:44] I can't do anything. I tried.

[01:04:56] All right, Supervisor Frank.

[01:04:57] So they did, then it went away, so I can call a recess if we need to.

[01:05:45] Hold on. Let me refresh again. All right, mine is still, I hit load. hold on hold on I only have one person all right supervisor did anyone else supervisor Franklin's the only person I have in queue I was just going to ask about um because I keep getting different answers with regards to the compensation study has there been a compensation study done for the

[01:06:19] sheriff's office the cop so thank you for that question madam chair and board there was a compensation study done please do remember that the basis of the decisions that we were made that we made last year and that ultimately the board approved was based on a compensation study.

[01:06:39] So the Gallagher report is what we reviewed prior to making decisions last year. That Gallagher report did test market. And so the recommendations that they made, we baked into the budget.

[01:06:56] And the compensation studies that we are recommending as part of this budget is really testing to make sure that the recommendations were implemented properly and that we are still at market. That included ADC, it included the Sheriff's Office, it included other sworn positions as well as our general government employees. Sure, so the increase that we're looking at now, is that in line with what the recommendations were? No. Are they above or

[01:07:26] beyond? Above. Okay. Supervisor Angry. Thank you, Supervisor Gordy, for this. So one thing, militarily speaking, you know, when we talk about pay parity and the fact that we have a sheriff's police department, military has one set of rank that runs through it all, and everybody does a different function of a job. That's the uniqueness of what we're trying to determine here, but there's a way to do this without putting one force above the other and so while you've made this adjustment

[01:08:05] to get to this point i think with a real conversation we're going to have to have about what is public safety what is our sworn officers and what does that rank structure look like across the board and then we can start talking about different ranges because you get special pay for special form performances that's probably where we need to be with this because we can't start pitting one force against the other not in this position we sit in so we got to find a balance that's neutral and not look at it for who does what and who deserves what and so thank you for this first round of discussions and hopefully we can get there thanks all right supervisor bailey

[01:08:43] thank you ma'am chair um thank you for that um supervisor angry i i think uh we do have to look at it in that way and so to what um my colleague asked about the compensation study um this is not going to be in addition to this is just to for the compensation study this is not an addition to it's the same Gallagher report that we got we're just testing to see how to execute it is that what I argue so the thank you for that question uh we we are proposing a new compensation study

[01:09:19] for the sheriff's office as part of this budget so it will not be the Gallagher report that was done last year it will be a completely separate vendor maybe i mean actually let me walk that back it may be a separate vendor but it may not but it will be a separate report but this will teach us this will show us where we need to do in terms of market value and serve and serving the sheriff's department i'm trying to get a deeper understanding sure my understanding at this point in terms of scope specifically for the sheriff's office compensation study will be focused on compression

[01:09:54] issues within the Sheriff's Office and market analysis, make sure that the salaries, both starting and salaries within the Sheriff's Office, are competitive with the market. Okay. So both compression internally and market externally.

[01:10:12] Okay. So the other question that I wanted to ask is, just for clarity and so the community will understand when we did the Gallagher study for our police department that gave us a better view when we were giving salary increases and the type of positions that were needed is that what it gave us and I'm trying the reason why I'm asking that is to kind of understand as we are allocating funding as we're supporting these departments we want to be on target as it relates to market value

[01:10:49] And, you know, will that give us a deeper understanding of how we can support our Sheriff's Department at a higher level? If I remember correctly, and this was a little bit before I got here. It was. The Gallagher report results came after the decision was made to increase the police salary by 17.5%.

[01:11:11] And the results of the Gallagher study, ultimately, we used as a foundation for the recommendations as part of the last budget cycle. And we were, to some extent, playing catch-up to the decision that was made prior to the Gallagher report.

[01:11:30] And so, ultimately, what we have done over this, certainly last year's budget, what we proposed to do this year and what we propose to do next year, is really a multi-year effort to make sure that we are equalizing as best as we can some of the enhancements that were made back in FY23 for the police salaries.

[01:12:01] That said, this is to some extent slightly complicated because we are now in a bargaining situation with police and with fire. And so we are about to open in the next year and a half, reopen those discussions with both police and fire. And so we won't necessarily be treating those sworn in the way that we did in FY23 because that will be a part of the bargaining process versus what is happening right now.

[01:12:32] Thank you, manager. All right. I just want to say I want to touch on what Supervisor Ingrid said because, you know, Sheriff Hill has gone through all offices. is, you know, we're not pitting people, law enforcement against law enforcement. You know, everyone has a valuable role to play.

[01:12:48] People have different roles to play, you know. And I've spoken with the different unions because I want to make sure that, you know, all of our departments have their competitive advantage. And that was something that was very important for me, making sure that, you know, our police maintain their competitive advantage and make sure that they have a premium.

[01:13:08] And that's not to discount anyone else's job. But I know that's a really tough job in this environment to recruit for. It's really tough to retain. And so I need to make sure that they feel supported with any actions that we do. I know there's also additional discussion around the compensation, the pay study.

[01:13:29] And again, I think that's important because we have to look at compression issues. I don't know if anyone else wanted to say anything or speak to that. But if not, Supervisor Gordy? Yeah, I really appreciate the discussion. And, yeah, like I said, this is just the beginning.

[01:13:46] This doesn't solve or address all the concerns. And I think the study can help us figure that out because we do have, you know, you talked about the military pay. You know, the one thing interesting, when you take a look at a military pay chart, it tells you, based on rank, based on years of service, what your salary is going to be.

[01:14:06] Now, we have some charts that show based on step and what your rank is that kind of gives you a little bit of comparison. But, you know, there's there's still a lot more that has to be worked out to try to figure out, you know, time and service and those types of things.

[01:14:22] So but again, this gets us closer if the pay study comes back next year and says, you know, we still need to, you know, make some adjustments, particularly at the higher ranks, at the longer serving ranks, because some of them do get capped out and cannot get additional pay right now.

[01:14:41] That what we end up doing is, what we've done is we've made this less of a burden in the next budget cycle that we, you know, it's a smaller gap that we have to fill. And we have the capacity this year.

[01:14:58] Next year we may not have the capacity to have a bigger jump. But we have the capacity now, and so that's why I'm desiring to go ahead and start to tackle this issue. We can do the study and then figure out all the other aspects based on time and service and at the different ranks and how we get to those that pay parity.

[01:15:23] And so I appreciate the discussion. I look forward to having further discussion on this. We know that this is going to be a discussion that we're going to have to have almost every year related to all of our things. But I've been very vocal about my concerns with collective bargaining, particularly, is that it can constrain us in our competitiveness.

[01:15:45] And I want to make sure that we are competitive because I've heard, and I've said this before, I've had other supervisors from other counties and jurisdictions say, we love the fact that you spend all your money training people, then we just give them a bigger salary and then they come to us. And then we have to spend the money again, which is a significant sum of money, to retrain someone else to do the job for someone we've already trained.

[01:16:10] So now we're spending twice the money on training somebody to fill a single billet. And so attrition is something that we have to get after. And I've heard a little bit of discussion about, well, there's concern people would flow from the police department to the sheriff's department.

[01:16:26] Well, the sheriff's department doesn't have any openings. They don't have a lot of openings. They are a very small force. So to me, I think that's somewhat of an unwarranted fear. There's not going to be a flood of people leaving the police department to go to the sheriff's department based upon pay because there's just not that many billets in order to be filled.

[01:16:46] So thank you, Madam Chair. Supervisor Bailey. Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Shorter, then Supervisor Bailey. Yes, Madam Chair, Board, I just want to ask a clarifying question. Supervisor Gordy, just want to make sure that the staff understands 4.47% increase. Does that include or is that on top of the 1.25% already baked in? So based upon your budget that you submitted, there was a, what the numbers that I call it was a 3.32%. Now my understanding that

[01:17:20] that included a 3% step increase commencing January 1st. So what we have baked in is a A step increase, yes, of 3%, 1.25% increase as well, so a total of a 4.25%, and that is a little bit different than the 3.3%.

[01:17:44] I'm not sure where. Okay, so it's a 1.25%, but on an annualized basis, it comes to about 3.32% increase over last year's budget total salaries.

[01:18:01] So the 15-223, based on the calculations I made, was 3.32% over FY24 salaries. Mr. Sinclair? So the way that it typically works for sworn employees, whether it be sheriff or police or fire and rescue or ADC, is in this instance there would be, based on what's in the proposed budget, 1.25% market adjustment on July 1 for every sworn position in the sheriff's office. And then on top

[01:18:38] of that would be a 3% step increase on each individual employee's anniversary date. Some people, that is July 1. Other people, other folks, it's January 1. It's a function of their recruit class or the anniversary date of which they started with the sheriff's office. Okay. And so So it's based on time of the year that, you know, it's based, so that 3% is based on time.

[01:19:05] Yes, in terms of the budget, that 3% is prorated for the remainder of the fiscal year. All right. So given the fact that that, from our perspective, is a very hard number to determine in terms of what percent of this budget actually is that 3% step.

[01:19:22] So I had to work with the total number. And that total number difference was a net effect of 3.32%. I just wanted to make sure you weren't looking at the budget summary in the document because the proposed budget included two new positions that also increased the salary and benefit expenditure category as well.

[01:19:43] Okay. Yeah. So, um, the goal was to get to, so if we're looking at, um, 4.47% increase that takes it to a, um, 5.72% total pay raise, uh, with a 3% step.

[01:20:07] Okay. So then, but we were looking at, um, Based on that, uh, Supervisor Gordy, it sounds like it would be 4.47 on top of the 1.25%.

[01:20:26] Correct. And so the goal, the overall goal is to get to five, 5.7. And, uh, in addition to the three, to the 3% step. And if that is the case, then we will do the math to make sure that it works. Okay. All right. Thanks. There are anyone, I thought we had another speaker in the queue. No,

[01:20:53] or if there's nothing else, let's go ahead and vote. Vote unanimous. All right. We've gone through we spent a lot of time in 7c um let's go on to item 7d or no we need actually all right

[01:21:20] second all right any discussion good let's vote sorry i got confused with all that going back and forth all right let's go vote unanimous all right item 7d can i get a motion move for approval

[01:21:50] madam chair second discussion all right let's vote we might get out of here at a better time than i thought motion passes seven to one supervisor we're voting nay all right 70 for approval second discussion all right let's vote hello i'm sorry chair jefferson just to clarify

[01:22:26] for the board this would be this resolution would be amended to include the additional seven hundred thousand dollars previously voted upon okay vote unanimous wait wait we can do a reconsider it was added it was already added in all right let's move forward we are 7f motion approval second discussion sinclair is yes just a note for the board this resolution and the attachments would

[01:23:04] be amended to reflect the change to the sheriff pay scale all right vote unanimous 7g move for approval second discussion all right let's vote vote unanimous 7h move for approval second

[01:23:44] Discussion? All right, let's vote. Got a nice little thing going on here. Vote unanimous. 7-A. Move for approval, Madam Chair.

[01:24:00] Second, Madam Chair. No discussion? Discussion? All right, let's vote. Vote unanimous. 7-J. Move for approval.

[01:24:15] Second. Discussion. Let's vote. Vote unanimous.

[01:24:31] All right, now I'm going to get into my directive. Now I can do it. Woo-hoo. Without objection, I would like to issue a directive to the county executive with regard to the newly created community events budget. As we all know, the Dale City 4th of July Parade is a tradition that brings the whole county together to celebrate our nation's birth.

[01:24:52] The county has been involved in the parade for many years, and I would like to see it continue. Therefore, I would like to direct the county executive to establish the Prince William County government as one of the official sponsors of the Dale City 4th of July Parade and to allocate $25,000 from the community events budget for the county to sponsor the 2024 Dale City 4th of July Parade.

[01:25:13] So, and we do not have anything closed meeting. Am I missing? I feel like I'm missing something. Oh, all right. I have Bodie and Vega. Thank you, Madam Chair. I also wanted to issue a directive. You know, we had a lot of discussions this meeting and prior meetings about transportation funding, under saying that we do, as Supervisor Franklin and others said, have to establish some dedicated funding for transportation and transit in the future.

[01:25:43] I know that the CNI tax isn't supported fully by the board right now, under saying that the effects it could have on small businesses. However, I think that we should have that discussion next budget cycle and looking at how we can make sure that we're doing so in a very responsible way, as I know that my colleagues are interested in doing.

[01:26:01] So without objection, I would like to direct the county executive to bring a proposed ordinance for a local option commercial and industrials tax dedicated to transportation prior to January 1, 2025, the start of the FY25 tax year for the Board of County Supervisor's consideration as part of the county's FY26 proposed budget. Supervisor Weir, then Supervisor Gordy. Thank you, Madam Chair.

[01:26:29] I'd like to thank the board. I think we've gotten through this in a rather collegial manner, all things considered, even though we don't agree on some things. And I think that we've been tested. I think people have tried their best to leverage the new board. And I applaud the manner in which this board has suffered through that travail and I'd just like to thank everybody. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you. I'm actually going to let Supervisor Vega because she had disappeared for a second but she's back in the queue. Thank you Madam Chair. I actually do have an objection to your directive which is why I wanted to go before everybody else. Sorry. No it's

[01:27:09] okay. So I've had a lot of folks reach out to me and you know just want to be very clear this is not an issue of whether or not we support the 4th of July Dill City Parade or not. This is an issue that I have with being prudent and fiscally responsible with public dollars. I say this because there have been some changes into how the police handles private events. This is a private event. This is not an event that the county is heavily involved in in previous years. I know that in conversations with you, Madam Chair, and some of my other colleagues, I guess at some point the

[01:27:45] previous chair had some sort of involvement in this parade, but the board as a whole has not. The issue that I take with this is that we have several, several private events in the county, and I'm afraid of what opening this store is going to do in regards to the other private events in the county. If we go ahead and we okay funding $25,000 to provide security for the Dell City 4th of July parade, what prohibits folks for Haymarket Day, Noakesville Day, and all of the other parades in between regardless of the size of the dell city parade um the concern still

[01:28:20] remains it's it's it's a private event and i don't think that we should use uh public funds to fund the 25k i will offer to my colleagues as a form of consideration and to our chair if she would withdraw um her directive that supervisor angry and i have discussed um raising the 25 000 so that we don't have to use tax dollars for that i know that i shared this with supervisor angry i I know that at some point Supervisor Angry has had conversations with folks in the parade committee, and I think that that would be the prudent route to take to ensure that there are no hiccups with the 4th of July parade this year,

[01:28:54] and that moving forward there is a better plan put in place to pay for the security that is needed. But I do object to the director for those reasons. I don't want to belabor the conversation, but I will say that since the change was made as to what events the police department works and doesn't work, I've had other organizations that have had their events who did not get the same courtesy.

[01:29:19] And again, we're not in a position to be choosing here. I think that we have to treat everybody fairly. We have to be prudent with tax dollars. And I think that we achieve the goal by getting the $25,000. It's just in a different format. And just wanted to go on the record saying that, Madam Chair.

[01:29:35] And so since we have an objection, what should we do, up or down vote on this? Make a motion? Okay. So, Madam Chair, do you accept Supervisor Angry and I raising the $25,000? And I call on my colleagues up here to join us also. I appreciate it.

[01:29:51] I'll be honest with you. Because time is so tight, I'm worried. And I would like to give, you know, the Dale Siddick Civic Association some certainty. Madam Chair, we have a little over two months, and we can do it. You got the money? Right there, you got the money.

[01:30:08] How about this? You'll go? You'll put money? You'll help? You guys can turn your mics on. Yeah, turn on your mics. I will help. I'll help. So, I want, before I remove this directive, I want solid commitments, and I want dates, because I, you know, and I apologize, Mrs. Jenkins is here.

[01:30:29] She's always been coming. You know, we've kind of discussed it, but I don't have firm commitments. I don't have dates, and what happens if we don't make those commitments? Because this parade is critically important. Supervisor Bailey.

[01:30:48] I mean, how much are you going to give? When can they expect the money? Madam Chair, members of the board, if you would like to, per your rules of procedure, if a directive is objected to, it does get converted into a resolution.

[01:31:10] So the option the board may have is if you want to defer the resolution to a future board date, whether it be May 7th, May 14th, or the June 4th meeting, whatever one is necessary to, I don't know how long it would take for the various board members to raise the funds, but you could defer it to a date certain.

[01:31:35] All right. I'm going to take, I apologize for leaving people hanging. We're getting through this so fast. I'm going to take a brief recess to discuss with my colleagues because I, before I, no, no, I cannot, I cannot because, oh, because we have something on the floor. Madam Chair, you could discuss one-on-one.

[01:31:52] You cannot discuss with three or more. All right, hold on one second.

[01:32:10] All right, this is what we're going to do then. I will withdraw this. We will do this, and we will, ma'am, you will get the money, okay? So Dale City Civic Association will get the money. What we're going to do is I have a commitment that within one month, you know, Supervisors Vega and Angry will raise the $25,000.

[01:32:35] And I believe we have said something. So what we're going to do is we will later have discussions about how much each individual is going to raise. And I will hold everyone to it because if we don't raise the money, I will bring this back as a directive.

[01:32:56] I will bring it back and it will be a vote. But we are going to work to get you the money. madam chair we could do a dunk booth will you be the person we dunk i'm just gonna throw the balls no no no so madam chair just for clarity um when are you thinking about bringing this back june 4th because that to me that's that month plus a week that makes me nervous me too i would i would i would we're gonna bring it back in may may so what i will do again as i'm withdrawing this

[01:33:32] i will bring this back in a month i will have one-on-one discussions with folks on the board I will circle back with the Dale City Civic Association with a firmer plan. And if the money is not raised in a timely fashion, I will bring this back as a directive.

[01:33:51] So this is an act of good faith. And again, for the Dale City Civic Association, thank you for your patience. I know that this is critically important to you and that this has been a source of concern. Anyone else before I go back to our speaker list? Madam Chair, I just want to be clear.

[01:34:06] We're helping this year, but hopefully by next year, they've got it figured out and we're on our way. I think as part of this, we should work with them on a plan. Madam Chair. I'm sorry. Mr. Shorter. Madam Chair, I just want to make sure that I'm, so part of the language in your directive included sponsorship.

[01:34:25] I want to make sure that as board members talk about raising funds that there is a challenge if we are not an event sponsor. It is not a county event with using office dollars. So I want to be clear that this is, okay.

[01:34:42] Yes, this will have to be private funding because our office funds are still tax dollars. Madam Chair, just real quick. So this is a Neabsco District Dale City parade. While I appreciate the board's efforts and really supporting Ms. Jenkins with this effort, I have said and stated and even put out a public statement that this money will be allocated.

[01:35:05] We will take care of it. It is a very special parade for Dale City. It does draw in communities from all over and even out of state. So while I appreciate your efforts, everyone here to get there, I'm here to tell everyone that this is going to be funded and then we can figure out how next year works with this foundation or even what's going to happen as far as donations go from here on into the future of that parade to make sure it stays relevant.

[01:35:32] And we don't have this issue again next year going into the parade. So just want to go on record of saying that. So thank you, Madam Chair. All right. Thank you. And I withdraw my directive. I am going to go back. um we have a number of speakers i'm wondering if it would just be easier to give everyone their five minutes of supervisors we're just going to do that we're going to do everyone they're fine whatever you know you had the mic oh god he has to leave you know what let's just keep disappearing on me we're just going to give everyone their five minutes we don't have closed session we're going to close this out okay we're going to start with supervisor bailey this time thank you very

[01:36:09] much madam chair um first of all um i am committed to working with uh the dais to you're okay madam chair okay i am committed to working with the dais to assure that we do have our annual um fourth of july parade because all of us participate in it and it it serves as a memory from our own uh very endeared uh john jenkins who served on this board and so uh mrs jenkins we are committed to you to make sure that this happens and so thank you for your patience with us and then I

[01:36:45] also want to say in reference to this wonderful like Bob said this wonderful budget process that we've just gone through there were no arguments there there were no long well yeah Bob there wasn't we tried but it didn't work so and and we got through it we only had one long night and I'm very appreciative but Then again, maybe not because it was 2 a.m.

[01:37:11] But I want to say also that we are still in our learning period where we need to collaborate more with the agencies and collaborate more with the organizations in the community. And I want to say to the sheriff, we had a meeting scheduled yesterday, and he and I talked about it.

[01:37:30] I couldn't make the meeting yesterday. You are important to us, not just to a portion of us, to the entire community. I want you to know that. And we want to make sure that as we're doing this process of learning of what you need or the police department or fire department, whatever it may be, we want to have in-depth conversations with you so we understand that.

[01:37:55] Because as you told me out there, you've been doing this a long time. I haven't. And so please let us know because you're always very kind in coming in later towards the budget cycle and telling us what you need. You're important to us. Come early so we can understand it.

[01:38:12] in its entirety not just some of us it's real important that we support you so um and madam chair i just want to thank you for the the process it was timely uh and you gave us time to really think about it think about the budget process you change the times you put it later in the evening you put it early in the day that really helps in digesting to understand um just how much money we have, what we have to deal with, working with the departments and everything. And then lastly, something that one of our citizens said earlier, just because we have a lot of money doesn't mean

[01:38:49] we got to spend it. So I just want to leave that out there. And I think we've budgeted very well. And I thank you for this process. Thank you, Supervisor Rear. Thank you, Madam Chair. I've already said enough, and I've got the under on two hours, so I pass. Supervisor Bode. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll just ditto everything that Supervisor Bailey just said, and also just celebrate and acknowledge the fact that this is the first bipartisan budget this board has passed in in four years the previous board we didn't do that at all so I wanted to thank my colleagues for the collaboration hopefully this is the start of four years of more collegial collaborative

[01:39:25] bipartisan budgets thank you madam chair Supervisor Ingrid thank you madam chair congratulations to sessions 56 our latest police officers uh one of them being my god I don't want to put on the spot but she's now Prince William County police officer very proud of her I just did, didn't I?

[01:39:43] My God, daughter. And also, I want to congratulate the Heavy Construction Contractors Association. They partnered with Prince William County with parks to improve one of our parks, and it was the park over at Sharon Bauckham.

[01:40:01] And what they did down on the baseball field, we did all the concrete padding. So the field's looking macular. If you're down there, just enjoy it. We're doing more of that through revitalizing these parks. I want to thank HCCA and that leadership team they had for taking the time out and selecting Prince William County to actually be one of their projects.

[01:40:21] So thank you very much for that. And I just want to read this statement real quick since we've had all this discussion. As a Neosco District Supervisor, I am deeply committed to fostering a strong sense of community and civic engagement within our district. One of the most cherished traditions in our area is the Dell City Fourth of July Parade, an event that brings together residents from all walks of life to celebrate our shared values and heritage.

[01:40:45] It has come to my attention that there is a need for funding to support the participation of our local law enforcement agencies in this year's parade. While the requested amount is $25,000 was not allocated in the FY25 budget, I am actively working to secure the necessary funding through which the community fundraising and donations.

[01:41:04] I firmly believe that the Dell City 4th of July parade is a cornerstone of our community And it is essential that we come together to ensure its continued success. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Supervisor Gordy. Madam Chair, thank you very much.

[01:41:20] I also want to echo just the comments. I really appreciate your leadership over the past month and a half as we've gone through this budget. I want to thank Mr. Shorter for answering a lot of questions, as well as Ms. Altree, Mr. Sinclair, and the rest of the staff, especially for a new person who's gone through this whole process for the first time. There is one directive I would like to offer tonight. Without objection, I would like to direct the staff to draft a proposed ordinance to amend the meals tax to 2% to become effective on July the 1st of 2025. Staff should provide the proposed ordinance along

[01:42:00] with any staff analysis and or recommendations to the board in a memo or presentation to the board at a future meeting as staff determines appropriate. The memo and or presentation can be provided as part of the county executive's proposed fiscal year 2026 budget. However, it should be provided in time to allow the board to authorize and hold a public hearing on and consider adoption of the proposed ordinance prior to the effective date of July the 1st, 2025 and prior to the FY26 budget adoption that's all i have madam chair thank you all right supervisor franklin sure i just want to

[01:42:35] point out on uh on thursday april 18th i spoke at the woodbridge potomac community civic association legislative meeting where i provide an update on uh the board's uh budget process as well as other legislative initiatives happening in the woodbridge district so thank you to the civic association for hosting that event and thank you to those including chair jefferson delegate henson for joining, as well as Christy Black from Congresswoman Spanberger's office.

[01:43:03] Upcoming event, May 6th at 7 p.m., I will be participating in the public information meeting hosted by the Prince William Service Authority at the H.L. Mooney Reclamation Facility located within the Woodbridge District. We will have information on our website. And to get a closer look at the facility, residents are invited for a tour beforehand at 5.30 p.m.

[01:43:25] And again, you can go to our website and find more information. And then also I want to point out we have Bike to Work Day on Friday, May 17th at the Woodbridge VRE and Dumpster Day on Saturday, May 18th at Fred Lynn Middle School. And, again, you can find more information about these events on our website and social media.

[01:43:45] Thank you. Finally. I always go last. First off, I'm a firm believer that you give credit where credit is due, And I would like to congratulate Chair Jefferson on her first very successful budget, I would say.

[01:44:03] Congratulations. I know that it hasn't been an easy season for you, but you're a fast learner and you're determined. And I just want to highlight Chair Jefferson's leadership. There's a lot that can be said about leadership, but I think that we have a fine example here of what leadership truly looks like.

[01:44:19] I don't want to rehash what the county or this board has gone through over the last four years, but I think that it's very obvious that it is a new day here in Prince William County. This is the first time that I support a budget. This is my second term. And so it's refreshing to be able to work with my colleagues, to have conversations.

[01:44:38] And there's something that I won't forget about Chair Jefferson and I's very first meeting after you won and I won. She said, yes, Lee, we may not always agree on everything, but I will always talk to you. And she's kept her word. There have been some disagreements, but she calls me, we talk, we collaborate, and that's what this is all about.

[01:44:59] I pray for more days where we don't view this as us versus them, but rather public servants working for the betterment of the people of Prince William County. So, Chair Jefferson, thank you to my colleagues. Thank you so much for the calls, the emails, the conversations.

[01:45:15] This is a very historic night, I will say, for Prince William County because we've delivered for the people of this county. And again, Chair Jefferson, congratulations, and thank you for your leadership. I'm going to have a big head. And then I'm going to go home, and my 16-year-old is going to pop that bubble.

[01:45:36] Anyone with a teenager knows. But no, first of all, I actually want to thank all of you, because I'm learning as, you know, building the plane as I'm flying it. There is a lot to learn, a lot to do. You know, Mr. Shorter, thank you so very much for your guidance. You know, Madam Commonwealth Attorney, thank you for your award-winning.

[01:45:52] our award-winning county attorney um you know and our staff andrea dave you know like michelle all of you guys um and you know hopefully things will improve as we go along and you know every day i am going to work hard to earn your support you know i get nervous because we're going to get into some conditions contentious issues and hopefully we'll all still be able to gel and work well together so i wanted to thank everyone i want to thank the staff my colleagues on the

[01:46:26] dais for being patient um and their staffs for dealing with them and being patient um i'm looking at one person in particular but hi hi bob anyways i just wanted to before we adjourn um i just want to mention i do have a town hall is my first solo town hall this saturday on april 27th at the a court building from two o'clock to 3 30 it's on the strategic plan so i hope that people are able to come out and join me and with that um second i'm gonna make y'all wait um thank god

[01:47:03] i'm gonna have discussion okay there's discussion no all right we'll adjourn all right let's vote all right all right that was a little early

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